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7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:29 pm
by Chris Brame
Found this photo on the Hokey A$$ Message Board old photo thread:
Number on bulkhead is 7190 - but which 7190?
42-97190 per Baugher: (457th BG, 748th BS, *Hitler's Milkman*) hit by flak during mission to Nijmegen, Holland Sep 17, 1944. Landed safely in Belgium. Plane was repaired and returned to active duty. Returned to USA Jun 4, 1945.
or
42-107190, Douglas-built G, no other info.
Or is it the c/n? If so, c/n 7190 would be 42-32076 aka
Shoo Shoo Baby.
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:58 am
by beast44k
By no means, do I think that I know what I'm talking about, but that doesn't look like a bulkhead gun station, possibly the right side gunner port...???
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:37 pm
by aerovin2
For what it is worth, I very much doubt the msn would be painted that prominently on the interior. However, I have not seen other examples of any number so prominent on the aircraft interior. It is interesting to note the "Vega" marking on the armor plating below the gun. Also, the airplane looks to be new or near new.
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:00 pm
by DryMartini
Just adding:
The 7190 is on BLK 6, in front of the ball turret.
It is a mid-late "G" model, with the 3 piece
side enclosure and staggered waist windows,
by the decking around the ball turret.
My guess is that, cluing off Scott, the number is a
Vega construction number. But since Vega only made 2750
B-17s total....
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:32 pm
by warbirdcrazy
Bill That is bulkhead 6 in front of the ball turret
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:02 pm
by DryMartini
That's what I said....
Thanks
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:23 pm
by Steve Birdsall
Yes, definitely a Vega B-17G. The photo below (quickly lifted from one of my Squadron books) shows a similar number in the battered waist section of the 91st Bomb Group's
42-97880,
Little Miss Mischief.
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:16 pm
by Chris Brame
Might as well add this - it's one of the IGN B-17s from that documentary film
Histoire d'une Carte:
I thought that was a date at first but those are rivets, not hyphens.
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:59 pm
by C-47B
Didn't Douglas paint their own four digit inventory numbers-which differed from the AAF S/N--on the aircraft just aft of the pilot side windows? Perhaps that is what these numbers are. Maybe there is a list of company numbers and their corresponding AAF S/N? There is an example of this on page 54 of Lloyd's B-17 In Detail and Scale.
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:18 am
by aerovin2
Yes, the manufacturer's serial number (msn) was painted by Douglas on the nose and apparently by Vega on the bulkhead. I've been too lazy to look it up but now that I did, Vega msn 7190 corresponds to B-17G-30-VE 42-97825.
An internet search reveals that this airplane flew as
Phyllis with the 379th BG and was ultimately scrapped at Kingman. Details are available in the 379th BG Anthology from this Amazon link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=EF41L- ... 25&f=false
Re: 7190 on bulkhead - which B-17 is it?
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:23 pm
by hang the expense
That's the first staggered waist with the three piece window I have seen.Learn something new all the time.